posted October 01, 2000 03:36 AM                          

Sir,

California's new "Dangerous Weapons Control Law" requires that no handgun
model may be sold, transferred or manufactured in the state unless the model
has been tested by a certified laboratory and subsequently approved by the
Attorney General. With few exceptions, any concealable firearm that lacks a
safety device, or fails a 600-round firing requirement test or fails a drop
test is considered an "unsafe handgun" under the new law and banned from sale.

We are not concerned with the 600 round firing test nor the drop test as we
have already satisfactorily performed those through H.P. White Laboratories.
However, because we use locked breech designs, hammer blocks and additional
safety measures incorporated in the trigger pull, our handguns do not have
external safety devices. Therefore, effective January 1, 2001 Kel-Tec will
not ship any handgun to be sold or transferred in the State of California and
further does not authorize the resale of Kel-Tec firearms in the state of
California.

Thank you.

I bought a P32 a few months ago because I was concerned about this. I bought a P11 last week for the same reason. I'm now trying to decide if I should get a P40, or just get the conversion kit for the P11. Its not an easy decision, because we are only allowed to buy one handgun per month here, and A LOT of handguns will probably be banned after the first of the year. Which ones do I want most...?

Doug

posted October 01, 2000 04:07 AM                       

Good shooting!!!

Charlie Tuna

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posted October 01, 2000 05:11 AM                       

quote:

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Originally posted by DougB:
However, because we use locked breech designs, hammer blocks and additional
safety measures incorporated in the trigger pull, our handguns do not have
external safety devices. Therefore, effective January 1, 2001 Kel-Tec will
not ship any handgun to be sold or transferred in the State of California ............

A LOT of handguns will probably be banned after the first of the year. Which ones do I want most...?
Doug

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Sounds like almost all of my handguns will no longer be avaialble for sale in Kalifornia. Glocks, my Colt Pocket Nine and Pony, kel Tec, Well my Hi Power is OK except that Browning doesn't sell them any more.

Hey, what about revolvers? They have no external safety? Don't tell me those jerks banned the safest handguns of them all because they think they are dangerous?

Rick

posted October 02, 2000 12:28 AM                          

quote:

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Originally posted by Rick:
Sounds like almost all of my handguns will no longer be avaialble for sale in Kalifornia. Glocks, my Colt Pocket Nine and Pony, kel Tec, Well my Hi Power is OK except that Browning doesn't sell them any more.

Hey, what about revolvers? They have no external safety? Don't tell me those jerks banned the safest handguns of them all because they think they are dangerous?

Rick

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Rick,
I think the manual safety requirement applies only to semi-autos. Revlovers must have some sort of internal safety-like a transfer bar, but I don't think this will be a problem for most modern revolvers. There is also some exception of old-style single-actions I think.

But I think you are correct about the other guns you listed. Even guns that would meet all requirements may be banned because only the manufacturer or importer can submit them for testing. Will they do this for products they no longer produce? Glock is an exception. Apparently they worked out some deal with the state to exempt their pistols from the ban because they are so popular with law enforcement. Maybe they consider the little button on the trigger a "positive manual safety" :). Actually, while I'm glad that Glocks will still be available, this bugs me - it seem very arbitrary and shows favoritism. I think a P11 is every bit as safe as a Glock 26 (heavier trigger pull). But then we all know that "safety" isn't the real issue here.

Doug

posted October 02, 2000 06:22 AM                       

quote:

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Originally posted by DougB:
Rick,
I think the manual safety requirement applies only to semi-autos.........

Glock is an exception. .....

"safety" isn't the real issue here......

Doug

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Thanks for clearing up the bit about revolvers. I couldn't really see them banning them. As far as Glock is concerned, the price alone takes them out of the "Saturday Night Special" catagory.
WOW, what a blanket indictment.

I guess you're correct about Glock. I have two of them and feel much more comfortable with my P-32 having one in the chamber than a Glock. It's not the weight of the trigger pull but the length of the pull that frightens me.

Safety could only really be addressed by people who know what they are talking about. This little bit of legislation came from morons.

Rick

posted October 02, 2000 04:47 PM                          

quote:

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Originally posted by DougB:
Gary,
I'm sorry to say it, but NO Kel-tec pistols will be sold in California after 1/1/2001. I e-mailed Kel-tec with this question and Here's what they sent me:

Sir,

California's new "Dangerous Weapons Control Law" requires that no handgun
model may be sold, transferred or manufactured in the state unless the model
has been tested by a certified laboratory and subsequently approved by the
Attorney General. With few exceptions, any concealable firearm that lacks a
safety device, or fails a 600-round firing requirement test or fails a drop
test is considered an "unsafe handgun" under the new law and banned from sale.

We are not concerned with the 600 round firing test nor the drop test as we
have already satisfactorily performed those through H.P. White Laboratories.
However, because we use locked breech designs, hammer blocks and additional
safety measures incorporated in the trigger pull, our handguns do not have
external safety devices. Therefore, effective January 1, 2001 Kel-Tec will
not ship any handgun to be sold or transferred in the State of California and
further does not authorize the resale of Kel-Tec firearms in the state of
California.

Thank you.

I bought a P32 a few months ago because I was concerned about this. I bought a P11 last week for the same reason. I'm now trying to decide if I should get a P40, or just get the conversion kit for the P11. Its not an easy decision, because we are only allowed to buy one handgun per month here, and A LOT of handguns will probably be banned after the first of the year. Which ones do I want most...?

Doug

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posted October 02, 2000 05:05 PM                          

So, get your Keltecs before the end of the year.